Internet filter remains alive and well: Conroy
- 28 September, 2010 11:03
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Communications minister, Stephen Conroy, has refused to back down on Labor’s mandatory ISP-level filter, despite the near impossibility of the controversial policy passing the lower or upper houses of Parliament.
Speaking on the ABC’s Q&A program overnight, Conroy fought for the filter, arguing the claim that the filter would slow the internet down had been “thoroughly discredited.”
“In practice in Europe, all over Europe, where a filter is in place that blocks child porn, it has no impact [on speeds],” Conroy said.
“Here in Australia, three telecommunications companies – Telstra, Optus, and Primus have said they will introduce one to block child porn and it will have no impact.
“If you were an engineer you’d say it’s one seventieth the blink of an eye, but no noticeable effect. Many people have been told that [the filter] will slow down the internet. This is not true.”
Conroy would not address whether the current make-up of parliament – with the Coalition, Greens and Independent MP, Rob Oakeshott, all opposed to the filter – meant it was impossible to pass any filter legislation in the next three years.
“No legislation has come forward yet as what we undertook to do was originally, when all those people claimed that [the filter] would slow the internet down, we did some trials,” he said.
“[Australian Sex Party leader, Fiona Patten] has made a number of good points about the breadth of what is called the Refused Classification category. We have said we will have a look at that. The independent Classification Board, independent of the Government, will review the terms of RC.
"If people have a view like Fiona does, then everyone in Australia now has an opportunity to put that forward. So the legislation will ultimately reflect the outcome of that review… so for people who say ‘oh, it definitely won’t be passed’… the legislation hasn’t been drafted and that review hasn’t taken place yet.
“You don’t, simply because you get a lot of criticism, say ‘well, I’m going to run away from that policy.”
Along with strong criticism from the ISP and wider ICT industry, the filter has also come under criticism from the Australian Sex Party, with Patten telling Computerworld Australia prior to the Federal Election that a complete overhaul of censorship was needed.
“The different ranges of censorship for different types of technology [means] we need a total overhaul of the way we deal with classification and censorship in Australia,” she said. “Currently how we censor a book is different to how we censor a film and how we censor a computer game which is different to how we censor the Web. We need a total overhaul of that.”
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Comments
greg
Conroy's dogmatic insistence on something as fundamentally flawed as the internet filter should raise alarm bells about his judgment regarding his other pet project, the NBN.
Visionary
Conroy is absolutely correct, we need an internet filter which will stop any and all undesirable content. So what if it slows down the search engines.
gnome
@2Visionary, I assume you are being sarcastic about Conboy and his stupid filter, since nobody with any brains and common sense would think that it will stop any and all "undesirable" content.
More to the point, who is going to decide what is supposedly undesirable? Once the system of secret government censorship is in place, there will be constant political and pressure group agitation to increase the list of things and information we are not allowed to see.
Visionary
@3, it is clear the internet is full of undesirable content. Do we really need this rubbish to be polluting the minds of our citizens?
SR
@4, yes I agree an internet filter should be applied to all users under the age of 30. People underthat age are not mature enough to judge what they should view!
Jeremy West
@Visionary and SR, your mindset's are far scarier than Conroy's, thank goodness you're simple flunkies.
SR
@6 I am sorry I do not understand your point. Do you feel the internet should be uncensored and allow access to all material?
Josh
Governments will not protect you from the internet. Part of living in a democracy is being offended, @2Visionary Why dont you go live in China!
The internet is the most amazing free speech zone in the history of the world! anyone that wants to rain on a parade so grand and amazing need his/her head checked.
and I cant believe you trust Government to censor the net! More people have died from governments than all diseases, smoking and car crashes world wide put together in the last 100 years! Do you really trust such a corruptible institution to filter information!
Only a fool would.
gnome
@2, 4, 5, 7: The Internet should certainly not be subject to secret State censorship imposed according to the political whim of whoever is in power and their political "stakeholders".
Parents are responsible for all aspects of monitoring their children, and there are excellent PC-based filters available that can be set to any parental preference for on-line activity.
Many supporters of State censorship seem to see it as a means to make everyone conform to their own (very narrow) prejudices. We don't allow the nanny State to open our mail or listen to our phone calls, and the Internet is just another comms channel like those two.
Raymond
Everybody has missed the scariest point of all,what Conroys wants is for all ISP to store internet content, now that is the Biggest Big Brother you should be worried about, if this happens they control the Internet! and who wants that!! except the few labor looney left, like the Crayfish and his Boys.
Dedrick
@10 - Yes, exactly. Worrisome that Conroy (and ALP for maintaining him in this portfolio) should be so insightless.
SeriousConcern
The real concern of the filter is how it puts into Government's hands an effective tool for stifling political dissent.
SR
@10- why would we be worried if the government stored internet behaviours, that must be a good thing to protect us all. We elect the government to protect us from the evils of life agreed!
Truth
@Visionary Seriously, how many countries have an internet filter like the one proposed here? One and that country is China. I guarantee you we do not want to be like China. Look up the definition of communism and you'll start to understand. The internet filter will not work, it will slow down the internet for Australians, you will have NO privacy on the internet even when you are doing legal things, we will pay billions for it's setup and maintenance. Oh and a large amount of that money will go to foreign workers and I'm quite sure a large part of the work would actually be done overseas. So seriously before you speak (or type in this case) please make sure you have some idea of what you are talking about because you sound like an ignorant fool. Just smarten up in general, you're obviously not the sharpest tool in the tool box but there's no reason you can't change that, speak only when you're spoken too. lol
Truth
@SR You're a full blown idiot too, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a scientologist.
SR
@15- Truth! I am seriously wonded by your comment. But I forgive you!.
Let us pray together the government may heal our pain and show us the righteous path towards enlightenment.
Let us pray the Internet is made a safe place for the people.
Visionary
@14- Truth, Sir you offend me! I take it that since you have "spoken" to me I have the right of reply.
Sir, I sharpest tool in the shed as you eloquently put it is often the tool which is most effective.
Check out my previous posts sir and you will find many intelligent and insightful dissertations.
Sir I demand you withdraw those remarks made in post #14
Ben
@Visionary and @SR, I am a telecommunications engineer.
I can tell you unequivocally that the government's proposed internet filter will not work.
I am personally familiar with the filtering products that were tested in the Ennex trials and while they do block websites effectively, they are useless against circumvention methods such as Proxies and Virtual Private Networks. These are tools any child can master within 5 minutes by simply performing a google search.
Additionally, manually blocking material is a useless approach to making the web safe. Labor's proposed list of 10,000 websites is but a percent of a percent of a percent of the nasty material that exists online. (There are currently 1 trillion+ pages indexed by Google.)
Of course, all of this ignores the fact that the vast majority of deplorable material lies outside the scope of internet filtering on P2P networks.
Lastly, it demonstrates great hubris to assume the government will be able to make the web safer for children. Anyone who has studied this area knows that the most pressing issue for young people at the moment is online bullying. People don't just stumble onto child porn.
Freedom of Speech
It is scary that people are so naive and dumb they can be duped by Conroy and the ultra right wierdo cults masquerading as churches.
The so-called porn filter is just a means of stifling political dissent, just like China, etc. do.
If you want to live under a dictatorship go live in China or North Korea or Zimbabwe.
SR
#20- No No No! i cannot believe our government has it mind to stifle the people. We must protect users from harmful content. Perhaps the government can limit us to a few approved websites.
Ben
@SR I call shenanigans on you.
Good work though, had me going for a while there.
SR
@Ben- yes it is true, i just wanted to have fun and you have correctly caught me out :)
Raymond
@ 13 It is significant in this aspect, it allows the government to monitor the content, and if a government who had very little majority for instance found a great tide swelling against them via this for instance, they can block all critism.
That you should be scared of!
Raymond
@ 18....not me, not one spelling mistaker....so not me!
Into another Pot Crayfish
Happy
Go ahead and implement the filter. Each ISP will have to have a standardised filter, on 10 to 20 boxes, unless they are dumb enough to try just one box (oh dear). This means they're all vulnerable to the same security vulnerabilities, it just takes a single mistake. This allows for a man in the middle attack, all someone would have to do is Trojan the box(s). It's going to be nice for someone to have access to the data of every single Australian home connection on that ISP... Think of the possibilities that could raise. Imagine been able to add all your competitor's web sites to the black list, or terminating all the out going traffic Australia wide, or having someone reading all your naughty emails hahaha.
And to bypass it, simplicity itself, Just connect to an Overseas proxy (use an SSH tunnel if you want it encrypted), takes about 5 minutes to set up. My 14 year old showed me how he bypassed his school filter using the same method, and I didn't tell him how to either! The whole scheme is Ill considered and totally pointless, it's going to be fun to see what happens next.
b
My problem isn't that it'll slow internet content - it is a proven fact that it will.
My problem is that a filter was introduced in Turkey, solely for combating child porn. Turkey is a reasonably liberal representative democracy, similar to Australia in their governments powers.
Their filter now (just a few years after it was implemented):
Filters child porn (good), other illegal sites (fine)
It also filters any kind of government critiques - you can't voice an opinion or start a debate on how crap the government is, youtube - because a single video insulted Ataturk, it also denies access to forums and debates on any subject that the current government considers taboo, hence research into whether or not a law should be changed is undebatable by the public and hard to research, large portions of google are not allowed (google books, google docs, etc).
Does anyone really want Australian politicians to have this power.
Sam Hall
How much has already been spent on it? How much is it going to cost to implement? I've heard that it's expected to run into the tens of billions of tax payers money for a half assed technology that others are already giving away for free. Here' s just one product that will end all arguments for Conroy's proposed filter.
OpenDNS already have a free solution known as FamilyShield. It blocks more of the filth of the internet than what Conroys filter proposes, it's kept up to date much faster and has no risk of a political agenda seeping in. There are simple instructions on how to protect your entire household listed on their website. It works in a similar way to Conroys filter, except it does so at the home level, not at the ISP.
The concept is essentially the same though so it's just as simple to circumvent if your children are smart and decide for whatever reason that they should do that. I believe your children will be less likely to seek to circumvent this kind of filter, since it is free from Conroys unworkable and unreasonable idea to apply RC regulations to internet content which will likely catch pages that people actually do seek to view from time to time.
We would be far better off if the government spent a couple million dollars training mums and dads how to set this stuff up at home.
SR
#27- Agreed maybe the approach is to educate parents. That would also allow our political masters the opportunity to continue research & review of these evil websites
Conroy bad seed
Labor has a death wish in Conroy. See him on Q&A ?.
Man, he is really dumb, and really toxic.
How did this clown get the job or stay in it ?
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