Budde barney over NBN blowout

The Tassie rollout was under budget and ahead of time?

How many Tasmanians have access to NBN services right now? Close enough to NONE.

LOL Canberra Watcher is back, hey long time no see, how are you.?.........

I m sarkastisch, ich weiß, wer es wirklich ist

The Coalition, The Nats still don't have a policy when it comes to dealing with Undeserved, RIM-Fested Copper Infested Nation of ours, yet they continue to attack Labor's Proposal ? FFS.

When is Barney and friends gonna release their Policies FFS.

Francis, the problem is that The National Party rely on The Coalition for votes, there is no point in having a Policy that is not accepted or endorsed by those who give preferences to.

And that is my point Francis, they attack the Labor for wasting money, but have no proof to date or an alternative to back up their claim.

We've been told time and time again by Coalition that they will have a policy when there is an election, now there is an election, and have been for about a week, we still yet to here nothing at all about the policy, or any policies related to tech/telco/ISP Industry at all.

And on top of this we have this "Malcolm McKenzie" articles saying it's gonna cost blowout, but again we see a lack of Policy alternatives from this Consultant as well.

I think the Tech and Telco Industry is getting fed up with all these sorts of claims and promises by Consultants and Politicians and just get on with the job.

12 odd years with the Liberals and no action at all.

OPEL was dumped because it wasnt fit for purpose, it was at best a bandaid, it was an awful design, it was limiting, and sole purpose was to shut the chattering masses up, and get Telstra,s even back then life ex copper replacement sorted, as Telstra had openly refused to replace it, and all this was said 10 years ago.

the whole reason the NBN was brought into being to start with, as well as OPEL was Telstra,s refusal to replace the copper network, this caused no end of trouble, and still is to the average Australian, even living in big cities, the service from this life-ex network is patchy at best.

As for Conroy, he will not last post election no matter the result.

Our old friend Raymond has again disappeared and as usual in his absence, others have magically appeared to fight for the the cause, in an identical fashion...OMG!

Wow, lool... Canberra Watcher and Comrade are now here, sounding more like Raymond than Raymond.

All that's missing now is Legal Eagle and we'll have the trifecta of Raymond clones... who aren't Raymond of course.

No... they all work for Raymond and his mega $ empire, LOL!!!!!!!

mtz, for someone using supposed Wireless, you seem ad to your arguement on increased pricing?

for people tend to argue the NBN at every length tend to forget that pricing is controlled by ACCC.

er no. it wasnt viable as the wimax tech slated for OPEL would have struggled to make the benchmark set for the program - 12 Mbit service. IIRC it was real world capable of 6-9 mbits. and if you call 900 million "very little" taxpayer dollars i have a bridge in Sydney to sell you. no its not anywhere near the NBN expenditure but for a patchwork blackspots program, its quite a significant sum to spend to not even achieve the stated 12Mbit aim.

i do agree tho rural residents would have had *some* relief by now had the program been left in play.

but i would dispute the 'prove without any doubt' part. a sample size of one is not a metric worth anything as far as 'proof' goes. just because your personal position is top of the tree as far as Australia is concerned doesnt mean everyone else has access to the same standard....

BTW have you ever actually achieved 21mbit wireless? im curious if youve ever come anywhere near the theoretical max of that service. i fully expect the 42 mbt service is even less likely to achieve anywhere near its rated speed either.

on the filter, thats easy to deal with. use a VPN/proxy and be done with it. i personally wouldnt be surprised to hear the Libs support some kind of data directive though - like the filter thats one area of lib policy that seems to be a policy free zone.

Of course it'll blow out, it's the Government.

The school building are supposed to be made within 3 months the building down the road from me has taken over a year to build.

The problem with fibre is it'll cost the rest between $3000+ to $10,000+ to get the cable laid it won;t be free or how else is the government going to get it's 50+ billion back within 8 years some experts are saying a couple of years, even the current connection plans aren't the correct pricing they have to go up yet.

Then you'll have the councils saying you can't install fibre until you pay for land rent and pay a build fee before you can install, the same thing happened to Cable TV even when it was in the ground above ground and people complained that they couldn't see the sky properly with the other 10 cables strung up on poles.

anyone who doesn't expect this to blow out is living in fantasy land.

We all want 100% fibre broadband just like we all want a personal luxury jet but unfortunately life doesn't quite work like that. The greedy simply say build it an to hell with the poor Australian taxpayer that will be saddled with the financial millstone around their neck for the next decade or two.

The United States, the worlds most advanced country, has only 6% of population serviced with Fibre. At this time we simply cannot afford this luxury. I think it is best that Abbott consults Telstra for their opinion as to the best method of a cheaper delivery of fast Broadband for Australians.

It appears likely that Tony Abbott will win the coming election and his intention is to cancel the NBN so it is very important for him to quickly reveal his plan in this area. For those who question the possible NBN cost overrun should look for example at the cost blowout for the Sydney Opera House.

You don't have to be a genius to work out that government projects ALWAYS go over budget by at least 200%.

Q. How can a supposedly reputable consultant get this so wrong? A. Consultants are famous of under-quoting to get their project approved.

Can anybody give any example where a similar government run project has come in on time and under budget?

@#20. Sydney you still haven't learned have you? And again more contradictions.

When the NBN deal with Telstra was first announced and your precious Telstra shares jumped you said, the NBN deal may be best for us all afterall. But now...

You speak via your Telstra shares and nothing else, but refuse to understand that the best thing for your shares is certainty.

If Tony Abbott wins Telstra will again (as they have been pre-election) in limbo without a clear path and the stock may suffer further, unless a quick assurance is given.

Your motto seems to be vote 1 Tony Abbott and "hope" he helps my TLS shares...

But as suggested they have signalled a probable rehash of OPEL, the deal with Optus/Elders, you and your active Telstra supporter mates at NWAT fought against and voted against Howard, because of, LOL!!!!!

Ooh btw too, you typically never answered my question (refer comment #12) here either -

http://www.zdnet.com.au/nsw-changes-planning-rules-for-nbn-339304603.htm#comments

I'm not sure what take-up rate they expected in Tassie. But if it was more than the 'actual' take up rate, then YES it would be reasonable to expect it to cost less money and take less time to complete... because they did LESS work !

Now if they are going to adopt an opt-out model, the take-up rate will be close to 100% (including those installed but never used). Did they factor the increased time to install to 100% of homes into their budget and timing and human resource requirements?

As human resources (fiber installers / licenced cabelers / tradies) become scarce the hourly rate for these guys goes up... as demonstrated in the cost to build a school classroom or hall just did. Tell them it's government money paying for it and the cost goes up again... no tradies discount for cash on this cash-cow of a project.

RS why do you always bring your debate down to the low common denominator of money. Everything is relative RS and it is a fact that what is a large amount of money to you may not be so classed by others. As an example a person may regard a 30 metre cruiser as adequate to requirements but would only be a runabout for a Middle East oil Sheik.

Where I do agree with you is the Australian Government must be careful with the expenditure of up to $43 billion (and possible a great deal more) of public money. The advantages of the proposed NBN have been greatly exaggerated for the purpose of those who are desirous to have it built.

I will answer your question, as I have always answered your questions, when I have time to visit ZDNet to establish what the question was. With Julia Gillard being rejected by the Australian people the Abbott policy on the NBN is eagerly awaited. Best wishes, as always. Syd.

@27. Because the lowest common demominator is where it all starts Syd. It also demonstrates your complete bias and why you say things like Saint Telstra and God Bless Telstra.

All "you" talk about is $. The cost of the NBN, the impact on TLS shares. Even at Telstra Exchange, you lambasted a lady named Jacinta and sided with multi-billion dollar Telstra (your company) because she couldn't afford to pay her bill, but ended up doing so on the due date, only to still have her phone disconnected.

You went out of your way and "found time", to write to TE to criticise Jacinta and support Telstra - disgraceful, imho... But yet you are still unable to find time to answer your lies and they are lies Syd.

You said on the 20th July - you have never had any problems with your posts to TE. But I found 20 April on TE where you said your post had been removed from TE and were complaining...

Both comments cannot be true Syd which makes you a? Hint starts with L and ends with iar!

You have shown complete disregard for all Australians, except those like you, TLS shareholders and will change not only your comments from one extreme to the other, but also your voting habits, to whoever offers the most TLS pieces of silver. Rudd last time, Abbott this time.

And that is a blatant lie Sydney. My estimate is you answer at best 1 in every 3 questions. Where as I can say without fear I have "always answered yours".

Let's see if you have any ticker this time and admit to your lies re: 20 July/20 April?

And now for something completely different, OWKA back on topic.

Paul Budde is one of the most respected and knowledgeable commentators on the industry. His views are much more likely to be correct than those of people who are not directly involved in the industry and who may have one or more axes to grind.

PS - please don't feed the troll(s), as they are feral and may react erratically, although very predictably.

Yes lovely Syd...

Now to not deflect the issue, back to the lack of ticker or to answer those lies of yours?

RS it is true and you are correct that I did write a letter to Telstra Exchange (which was published) by Telstra Exchange and I did complain that a previous letter I had written had not been placed for public display on Exchange. I was quickly and kindly informed by Telstra that my letter was indeed published and on display but simply I was looking at the wrong section of Exchange, which you would know RS being one of the most prolific contributors to the Exchange and would, I think, hold the record of having the most correspondence published there, is a very expansive Site. I hope to see Tony Abbott in Brisbane today and will ask him about his intention for the NBN and the Internet censorship filter.

RS, no drama, no intrigue a pure and simple truthful answer. Telstra Exchange sent me an E-Mail to answer my question which is what you would expect from the Nations leading E-Mail provider. You got a problem with that RS?

RS, please believe me when I tell you that the last sentence of my recent Post was not meant to be hurtful or insulting to you. If you were in any way grieved or offended please accept my complete and utter apology.

Also, I am sure you will have taken note of my recent Posts on Telstra Exchange which were very critical ( in a constructive manner) of Telstra, and as you and David Thodey agree, improvements must, and are, being made for the better at Telstra.

@#35.

Tell us again about the $80b NBN, LOL!!!!!

And if you are naive enough to believe the Libs who still WILL NOT say no to internet filtering, won't introduce one, well...

Some people eh!

Fair enough Syd, my turn to apologise...

Me too, regarding Abbott.

Still no answer for me though? My you're a coy old bu**er aren't you?