Telstra to reap $11b from NBN deal

I cannot recall how much the government received when they sold Telstra, have we (the long suffering tax payer) just refunded that money?

Congratulations to the Telstra Board and management, and to the Government, for negotiating a deal in everyones best interest. Amazing what can be done when people negotiate properly - what a contrast to Solly and the Amigos - Thank goodness that some mining companies, at least, have the good sense to negotiate Livingstone and Thodey style, rather than just rabidly opposing everything that might benefit Austrlians.

Leagal Eagle are you seriously that naive ?, your seriously blaming one side for blackmailing and brinkmanship.

Even if you discount the strong evidence of deals done a long time ago, and all this was a puppet show for the chattering masses, the fact remains Telstra attempted to grab the government by the hairy ones, then the government countered and a tit for tat followed.

Your opinions are yours and I have mine, but at least I try to temper mine with an all round cynical view of the entire muppet show that is Australian politics.

And I use the term muppet show, because next time you hear a polictician just Booing because he has to hide the fact they have no policy, just picture the balcony in the muppet show with the 2 grumpy men in it.

But to top it all off leagal I think your missing one blinding point, well I say one, I'm in a good mood, Telstra doesnt need no assistance from a couch legal team, considering they have just pulled of the biggest bait and switch in history, not only have they got out of replacing their life ex copper cable, they are getting government to pay out on top.

So i,m wondering, does the muppet show theme tune, bring a tear to your eye Leagal, does it hark back to happier, simplier times, where there wasnt any duplicity in polictics, somewhere around, pffft i'm guessing 3000BC.

All internet traffic is subject to a key word over watch and has been for what nearly 2 decades, the face of the internet has changed further these last 4 years with advances in tracking, hence all the kiddie porn and extreme filth has all but gone underground invite only peer2peer, you have Interpol and the FBI to thank for that.
Hence why we are all complaining that the internet filter is at best useless.

I,m hoping that some of this move to censor the internet is polictician crawling into this decade and going AHHHHH something needs to be done now, think of the kiddies...

Thankfully the real world has already addressed the problem and was moving along quite nicely..

Your net activity is watched, played with and stats monitored in so many ways, some stupid government scheme will just fade into an already seething background, and will be attacked, bypassed and rendered useless even before it goes main stream.
I hold up Iran and China as examples of draconian internet practises that are bypassed with such ease, if you just ask around quietly, you will get a solution within a few hours, so worst case example we will teach everyone that wants to know how to run a proxy in Australia, and how to further mask themselves.
I hate internet filth, but I am also aware that the line at the stage you scream filth is a based on the person viewing, so yes the filter is wrong, more power and a modern overhaul to Australias censorship board would of been more productive.

But to ramble back to the point your making Legal Eagle, yes there is alot of worrying trends GLOBALY regards to personnel freedoms,so much of our information is already captured and heldunofficialy its all rather moot.
The terrorists should stop bombing now, because they have won, they have so changed the polictical landscape of one of fear and control, that we are rapidly becoming the very thing we once fought againest.
The old adage about being carefull staring into the Abssy springs to mind.

Calm down peope, this is after all only a Heads of Agreement!
Won't happen at best late 2011 providing no change of government.......a very very big ask!

We can all go back to sleep and rest. The Fat Lady has not even sought the gargle, the Telstra shareholders have not voted,and the deal has not been signed, Thodey has not made any statements to the Exchange.

This is miles off!

Legal Eagle
Mon 21/06/2010 - 15:56
# 7 You missed my point yet again, this will have nothing to do with Key Word...it is CONTENT all the CONTENT of ALL traffic

I have not missed anything, I was pointing out a progression of erosion of civil liberties, and pointing out we are far more along that path already, and what you pointed out is the apex of it, I never contridicted you, so read slower so the crux of the piece can be understood in the context it was done in.

Freedom is never removed in big chunks, its always nibbled at, till one day you wake up, with every one having to dress the same.

You do get rather over excited, so calm, deep breathing and continue the good fight, even if they do screw our freedom with the internet, the sun WILL come up the next day and not care one jot about the world wide trend to extremism .