Telstra and Optus disagree on ISP filter blocking notification page
- 23 March, 2010 13:05
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Australia’s two largest telcos have knocked heads once more over a key element in the Government’s mandatory ISP filtering plan.
In their submissions to Government’s proposed measures to increase accountability and transparency for Refused Classification material, Telstra and Optus are arguing opposing sides on the question of whether or not to notify a user who has landed on a filtered website page.
In its submission Telstra said it strongly supports all measures that improve the transparency and accountability of the RC content list where those measures had “no countervailing negative consequences”.
“However, we do not support the option of using a blocking notification page to indicate that access to particular content has been blocked because we believe that it will have the perverse effect of making RC content more easily available,” the Telstra submision reads. “Blocking notification pages can be easily phished by a technically astute user so that the URL of the blocked site becomes transparent to that user, who could then publish it.
“If the contents of the RC list is published it could be used as a directory of harmful content, which would therefore become more easily available to users that are able to circumvent the ISP filter or who are located overseas.”
The company said an alternative to using a blocking notification page would for blocked pages to be allowed to time out.
“The advantage of this alternative is that there would be no opportunity for users to phish a blocking notification page and learn the URL of the blocked content,” the Telstra said.
In contrast, in its submission Optus said it concurred with the proposals for a standardised ‘block’ notification page, including that it state that a user’s Internet browser has attempted to access content which has been classified as RC and that it provide information on how the user can seek a review of this if she or he believes that an error has been made.
“Optus further believes that it is important that a ‘block’ notification page has a standardised presentation and be centrally maintained by a government agency and, as such, it would be logical and practical for it to be hosted and operated by ACMA,” the submission reads.
“Our understanding is that it should be reasonably straightforward for ISPs to redirect Internet users to a central government-hosted ‘block’ page.”
Optus also added that an ongoing review of the mandatory ISP filtering scheme should also encompasses the technical and physical security of the RC content list, including matters such as encryption and procedures ensuring that access to it is tightly restricted and controlled.
“For example, there will need to be automated and robust ‘system-to-system’ transmission processes in place between ACMA and ISPs subject to the filtering scheme to prevent access to the actual content contained in the RC list,” the submission reads.
“Exit conditions are almost as important as entry conditions onto the list to ensure that the number of URLs remains as small as possible to promote efficient filtering and also to ensure the regime is focussed on blocking access to sites which exist and which currently contain RC material.”
Wider industry comment
In its submission, Microsoft Australia said it did not support the notion of a review by an industry group of RC content list classification processes.
“Microsoft believes the public in general and not 'industry' representatives are the appropriate review group for both classified material and the classification process,” the company’s submission reads. “The public are represented in this system through the Classification Board and the Parliament and Microsoft believes that ultimately these bodies should be responsible for supervising and reviewing the operation of this system of censorship.”
The Internet Industry Association (IIA) said it remained concerned about the mandatory nature of the proposals having particular regard to the broad scope of content that is encompassed.
“In particular, this can include socially and politically controversial material such as educational content on safer drug use, along with content covering instructions on any crime, including for example 'euthanasia', on which many Australians are divided and State and Territory Governments have legislated for in the past,” the IIA’s submission reads. “As a result members have expressed concerns about the possibility of blocking content, where possessing that material would otherwise be legal in Australia.”
Yahoo! Australia echoed the IIA’s comments arguing that mandatory filtering of all RC material could block content with a strong social, political and/or educational value.
“Clearly some of this content is controversial and, depending on one’s political beliefs, rather offensive however we maintain that there is enormous value in this content being available to encourage debate and inform opinion,” the submission reads.
“Furthermore, the existing classification regime has developed in a piecemeal and reactionary manner with little regard to or basis upon empirical evidence around public attitudes or expert studies into how consumers interact with media, and particularly digital media.”
The recently released paper titled Untangling the Net: The Scope of Content Caught by Mandatory Internet Filtering by Professors Catherine Lumby, Lelia Green and John Hartley 2009 provides several examples where knee jerk regulatory reactions to ‘controversial’ content have been entirely out of step with broader public opinion.
Yahoo! urges the Government to review the RC category within the existing classification regime, the scope of content that has been positioned within this category, and its applicability to online media.
As reported by ComputerworldThe Internet Society of Australia (ISOC-AU) has voiced its criticism of the Federal Government’s mandatory ISP-level content filter, arguing ISPs should have no role in determining what content their customers can access.
“We do not support the Government’s announced policy to require ISPs to block Refused Classification (RC) rated material hosted on overseas servers,” its submission reads. “ISPs should not have a role in determining content that their customers access. Their only proper role is to transfer packets from the sender to the recipient(s).”
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Comments
Jeremy West
That they are even debating a parameter of the implementation of this draconian censoring measure is absurd. It boggles the mind that Telstra and other telcos who have the most to gain in protecting unrestricted accessible information are even complicit, they should be fighting tooth and nail opposing government meddling in the private sector's freedom to move on the Internet without restraint. Censoring the Internet by the Australian government has to be stopped.
Lorderon
RC is RC is RC. It is illegal to display or make available across the Internet. There is no industry "freedom of the internet" to display RC content. Govt's are by nature voted in to meddle, meddling is their job. All laws meddle with someone's comfort zone.
Wrong argument totally to be fighting for the internet to be free of Australia's laws, total loser argument. The submissions were requested on the subject of transparency, so if you have submitted yet another protest against the filter in general you may feel better, but it is yet another waste of time and money and has again just made Conroy's position stronger.
Well done.
Entries on the RC list can be appealed, and if you are the owner of the content then you can enquire and find out if your content is on the list.
Mark G
Lorderon, "RC is RC is RC" - but RC doesn't mean illegal. There is some illegal content within RC (child porn) but most RC content is legal to view, buy, and own. The Minister lists shops where you can't buy RC in an attempt to imply that you can't buy it period, but in fact it is legal to buy in a variety of places, both on- and off-line.
You personally might find RC content (such as euthenasia literature) confronting, but it's not the government's place to censor debate on contraversial issues. Nor does Australia's current law require it to do so. I'm unclear why anyone would bring arguments about illegal content into a discussion about RC, unless it is to try and smear the government's critics.
john
Imagine if the government could block out material it deemed to be RC 50 years ago, they would have blocked out anything to do with equal rights for Aboriginees, anything to do with homosexuality, anything to do with feminism etc. RC is such a broad classification and includes so many things that many argue should be made freely available such as information on euthanasia, information on safe injecting techniques for drug addicts, warnings about which ecstasy pills that are doing the rounds have lethal adulterants, blocking this type of information will create more and more problems and is a complete step backwards for Australia.
Simon
The Internet is a public space. Public discussion must not be suppressed.
fred
The block list was leaked to wikileaks a while back and the number of legit sites on it was astonishing. Abbywinters.com for example, regular porn made in australia, banned from being viewed in australia (because they have a few pee pix???) Online poker sites, every major one (since when is that illegal???). This list appears to be an attempt to enforce some peoples' definition of morality without having to go through the trouble of actually voting and passing laws.
Noel Peters
Define RC.
Max T
As far as I'm concerned, the Government can go to hell.
I will view what I decide to, NOT what some parasite in Cantberra decides I can.
There are many ways to get around this filter, and I, for one, will be using them..
adrian
Lorderon
Tue 23/03/2010 - 14:07
you do realise unlike every other media format that the RC list for the filter is secret and not open to public eyes? unlike movie/music/books which have a database on what is blocked and for what reasons.
its due to this we can appeal bans, and others sites have already ended up on the blacklist without there knowledge and no known way of removing it.
so tell me again why some things like abortion and other such discussions should be banned from public debate and scrutiny
Brett
The Government tell us the filter system is to keep our children safe from sexual predators? I have worked within the ISP industries form many years and to my knowledge these predators primarily use chat media like ICQ, MSM IRC and other chat media, not web sites? The government filter system doesn't and can't filter chat media. So you would have to assume the government filter is a bombastic draconian attempt to filter our freedom of information for there own means? If I wanted to live in a communist state I would move to China. On top of this most internet savy user can get around the filter system in minutes has I did!
Daniel
Google to close up operations in Australia in response to Australian Governments censorship of Internet content.
close-ur-eyes
Democratic Governments are supposed to represent and serve the wishes of the majority of its people and electors, but I don't recall the Australian Government ever surveying public opinion on what the majority does or doesn't find offensive, or if they wish to have their communications monitored and censored.
The internet is a communications medium, not a publishing or broadcasting channel, and the government has no place interfering in that communication any more so than it should monitor all phone calls and postal mail to check and stop "offensive" subject matters being discussed.
Tom
The fact that the Australian government is looking to restrict information flow on the Internet highlights the total, unmitigated failure to comprehend the nature of the Internet, which is fundamentally based on freedom of information. People should be able to decide for themselves what information they want to access and what information they don't want to view. Accessing various types of information, even offensive, may in fact be an essential part of valid, legal and valuable activities, such as academic research or informed debate. We all want to protect our kids from predators, but the way to do this is for parents to exercise parenting obligations and not for draconian censorship that undermines general greedom of information and freedom of speach. If you genuinely care about the kids leave the internet alone and introduce laws that deal with negligent parents!
Daniel
In order to filter, you have to monitor.
In order to monitor, you have to comply with Australian law.
The government is not above the law.
gnome
There seem to be two misconceptions being peddled by Conboy fanbois - that the filter will block only RC content, and that we need the filter to stop CP and other illegal activities.
Conboy has called for more lists of inappropriate (his word) things the fundamentalists want banned, and they have said "If we can ban XYZ, then we can use the filter to ban DEF and GHI as well". So much for it only covering RC, much of which is not illegal.
The Net is a comms channel like Australia Post or the phone. People demanding Net censorship have no credibility unless they also demand that letters and phone calls be intercepted. Even the Conboy camp can see how stupid that is, so we are left with the equally daft demand for Net censorship alone.
And CP? That's always been illegal, and a Net filter won't control it because it is sent by other means to avoid detection.
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