iiNet welcomes Conroy’s ISP filtering plans

ISP says it wants to make sure any changes introduced are workable

iiNet has welcomed the Federal Government’s new cyber security plans – which include the introduction of mandatory ISP-level filtering -- calling the initiative a “structured and disciplined approach” to enhanced cyber safety.

The ISP said it has been working cooperatively with other major ISPs to define a set of principles under which an internet filtering approach can operate, including a clear and focused policy, and efficient and effective processes in determining and removing prohibitions on content, and transparency and accountability.

“The ongoing dialogue with the Minister has been useful, and we are pleased that further essential consultation is planned on matters of process and transparency,” the ISP said in a statement. “This announcement today is an important step on the way to a supportable framework.”

iiNet said it planned to contribute further to the public consultation on measures to improve the accountability and transparency of processes, and would work with the government on the detailed implementation of ISP-level filtering.

“iiNet has previously raised concerns with ISP level filtering which it believes is unlikely to have a significant effect on illegal activity,” the statement reads. “As the Government has decided to introduce legislation, iiNet wants to make sure any changes introduced are workable.”

Read communications analyst Paul Budde’s concerns with the announcement.

See also why one of AusNOG's founding members says the Government's decision will be detrimental for the ISP industry

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1

Angus Grogan

Tue 15/12/2009 - 19:17

if I was with iiNet I would be leaving. I will not give any ISP that supports filtering my business.

2

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 19:23

WTF? way to change your tune guys?

3

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 19:23

Great iinet like Telstra jump into bed to support the filter.

I bet you got a nice sum to become a yes man for conroy and mob.

4

Eddie

Tue 15/12/2009 - 19:26

Disappointed with iiNet. They've basically sold out their customers and other internet users.

5

Citation Needed

Tue 15/12/2009 - 20:11

what is the source for this article, you cite no sources, no person who made this statement and their is no related press release on their site.

Can you please provide some sort of source for this news because it seems very out of phase with iinets general attitude and all their previous statements

6

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 20:58

Only reason why iiNet would support such a filter is because they are getting ass raped by RIAA over illegal downloads.

7

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 21:15

A post on whirlpool today by Michael Malone. "I've been very vocal on this, consistently over many many years. iiNet won't introduce compulsory filtering unless required to do so by law. It's not a sensible solution to anything. Read my recent comments in the media on this."

So i would also like to see the source for this

8

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 21:27

iinet you are a pathetic sellouts

9

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 21:31

we have a chance to vote this goverment out before the filtering comes in if the liberals have a negative policy too it?

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Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 21:47

this article is entirely incorrect - it is merely an edited version of a piece in today's "commsday" newsletter, which made some wild claims without ANY evidence to back it up. The CEO of iiNet, Michael Malone, has explicitly denied it on the Whirlpool Broadband Forums.

11

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 22:14

this should be taken down immediately, as it is entirely wrong, and could in fact get you in trouble. (if a brittish guy complaining about a chinese MMORPG on his blog can be sued in australia for libel, then placing a report like this on such a major issue could also potentialy be considdered libelious.)

note: IANAL

12

Ben

Tue 15/12/2009 - 22:49

please cite your sources for this article - this does not sound like michael malone at all

13

bendar

Tue 15/12/2009 - 23:01

Straight from Mike himself, "As stated many times over, ISP level filtering is not a smart idea at all. It won't work and it is too subject to political interference. However, as I said in another thread, this is politics. The stuff that Steve (and others) have been working on is to ensure that transparency and accountability is built into the process.

Remember that it's not law yet. It still has to get through the Senate.

MM"

I suggest you get your sources straight or prepare for a lawsuit of your own. This kind of rubbish damages reputations.

14

Anonymous

Tue 15/12/2009 - 23:09

SAY NO TO HACK REPORTING!

15

Jahm Mitt

Tue 15/12/2009 - 23:42

The great thing about all of this religious or "culty" guff, is that all the sheeple groveling in their steeple, they all have "opinions" about what their deity is "saying" and righteously so, but the deity in the last few thousands of years of "omnipotence", has never once put in a personal appearance.

You know like if "JC and the Space Cadets" were a rock band - the clueless would have caught on that while the promoters claim that they play in gigs all over the land, but they have never turned up; while the clueless and stupid keep rocking up and buying the tickets.

Losers.

So the same overlording us with more holier than thou drivel, is projected into the area of computer games and internet sites.

Again while people get slaughtered for fun and profit in the movies and the real world, playing computer games doing the same stuff is just not on?

Why?

Am I surprised that the people thrusting their liturgical loins at the censors office for "standards and decency" are not trying to put the shackles on those who choose to have their own autonomous opinions, by declaring them to workers of the devil, sorcery and witches - starting with the jabbings for the devils mark.

Am I even further surprised that this is now extending into the Great Australian Firewall.

Perhaps those who cry loudest are those who look forlornly upon the promises of the bible, such as Ezekiel 23: 21 "whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions."

I mean who wouldn't want that or to be getting that?

I mean thank god Conroy is standing up for real Christian family values.

Jesus said in Revelation 2:22-23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

So Jesus wants to kill our kids - that's cool cause it is Jesus.

Timbo says I Timothy 2:11-14 "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

So all the women ought to keep their traps shut. I mean it's in the bible - so it must be true right.

And God digs killing pregnant chicks by knifing them and smashing their kids brains out on the ground; so the christians have got this family values stuff down pat: Hosea 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

So Conroy and his catholic buddies have got this right - we have to be protected against them out there on the internet and subjugate ourselves to the righteous christians showing us how their god loves us and how we ought to be kissing his ass, on the basis of their say so.

Oh did I mention that the old testament is a scammed copy of the Code of Hammurubi? The King of Babylons state laws - and the first 6 books of the bible are bare faced rip offs of this, just rebranded to a diety instead of the king?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_code_of_Hammurabi.pdf

Yep gotta remember them good old christian family values, the true word of god is the bible... except that getting nailed for copyright and plagarisim wasn't invented then.

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Andrew

Wed 16/12/2009 - 00:28

Don't you guys do any fact checking before posting a story? This article is clearly BS -- how did this get past Computerworld editors?

17

Frank Calabrese

Wed 16/12/2009 - 00:45

They got their story from this media release

http://www.iinet.net.au/press/releases/20091512-iinet-responds-government-cyber-safety.pdf

There has no officiall update on the iinet site which contradicts this - so unless Michal Malone has had a change of heart - I'd take the Whirlpool rebuttal with a salt mine.

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Paul Annesley

Wed 16/12/2009 - 12:12

Um. "Welcome" it? Your quotes from iiNet suggest the opposite. They're not welcoming it, you're writing sensationalist garbage.

iiNet appears to be begrudgingly accepting the inevitable legislation, stating that they don't believe it will work, and attempting to at least help steer it.

Save this kind of crap for your personal blog, Timmy.

19

Paul Annesley

Wed 16/12/2009 - 12:19

(I take that back, after finding and reading extra information in the press release that you didn't link to. Sorry Tim.)

20

trevor_clarke@idg.com.au

Wed 16/12/2009 - 12:45

Thanks for the comments everyone. As pointed out the information was provided in a release by iiNet which we reported on. We were just as surprised as many of you when we received it and gave them the opportunity of doing an interview to discuss the matter further and to put forward the company's views but they declined. We have previously spoken to the managing director, Michael Malone on a number of occasions about the topic and I refer everyone to his recent comments to us:

"Unfortunately, the ill conceived ISP level filtering will probably get up in 2010. It won’t achieve anything at all, it certainly won’t stop the sickos from getting access to material that is illegal, and it won’t protect the children. But the Government can say that they tried, get the photo opportunity and tick that box before the election.

At least we’re now seeing that debate about the safeguards on the block list. These things are not present today, which is why we have spoken against the 2009 trial. I’m very happy to see Senator Conroy suggesting that we will have a clear policy, good processes and transparency, and with that in place we could very well be supportive. Dentists, tuck shops and political material will still get targeted, but at least they’ll know about it and have a chance to get off.

Still, however well intentioned and structured, it won’t work. Dumbest. Idea. Ever."

You can see the full interview here:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/328801/isps_2010_-_iinet?pp=2

As @Frank Calabrese mentioned there has been no further information provided from iiNet. If they decide to retract the information, take us up on our interview request, or put out further commentary we will let you know asap. Until then we can only go by the information in this article.
Regards,
Trevor Clarke
Editor

21

Anonymous

Wed 16/12/2009 - 14:51

So much for standing up to them iinet.
disapointing!

22

Darren

Mon 21/12/2009 - 17:35

@Tim and @Trevor, why didn't you link to (or at least mention) the source of your information in the original article to allow your readers to determine the veracity of the information? Especially considering that the views expressed in the press release are so contradictory to iiNet's previously stated views.

23

Adam

Tue 29/12/2009 - 08:06

Internet content filtering is a certainty. While we have come to experience significant freedoms as the internet grew as a general communication medium quicker than the legislators could control it, this run cannot last forever. We need to consider the safety of internet users and its viability as a business tool when looking at what controls to put in place. Right now we have a global network which is pretty much free for all. People and businesses are being scammed and ripped off left right and centre. Law enforcement agencies often left unable to apprehend perpetrators due to the overseas nature of a lot of attacks. Parents cannot leave a child alone with so much as a smartphone or laptop without the concern that they will view inappropriate material or be subject to grooming.

As IT professionals, I feel that we have the duty to the next generation to ensure that we do our best to guide the development of this fledgling infrastructure down a path which sees it as a safe place to communicate, do business and play. If the cost of this ideal is having certain access limited or monitored, then it’s a small price to pay.

This is a sensitive subject which always ignites emotions, however we should engage in a constructive dialog to ensure that concerns are listened to and can be used to shape the network of the future.

24

Show us the Media Releas

Fri 19/02/2010 - 17:36

I've been to iinet website and there is no such media release on there. Are you sure you weren't stooged?

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