iiNet's Malone: Government must subsidise NBN prices - updated

Australian Internet users are so price sensitive, $15 more a month will mean consumers stay on slower speeds or opt out of broadband altogether

In spite of the many potential benefits of the National Broadband Network (NBN), many Australians may simply be unwilling to pay the price required to gain access to super fast broadband, according to iiNet managing director, Michael Malone.

Speaking at a roundtable at the Telecommunications Reform Forum in Sydney, Malone said that the sensitivity of Australian Internet users meant that speed would always play second fiddle to price.

“Pricing really matters in this market,” he said. “I hark back to 2006 when our pricing for off-net customers was changed radically by Telstra’s new management team. We gave customers the choice of having speeds reduced by two thirds or paying $15-20 a month extra for their service. Out of 30,000 customers 96 per cent of customers took the lower speeds.”

Malone said that the clear view was that customers were selecting a price point they could afford to pay for telecommunications. In his estimation, this was about $50.

“If you ramp that pricing up people will opt out for lower speeds or opt out of the market,” he said. “So the government has to come clean on the commercial discussion and say that this thing [the NBN] can’t work on a pure price return on the money invested in it, and say that we want it for good public policy reasons ... and directly subsidise it."

Ian Martin, a telecommunications investment advisor at the Royal Bank of Scotland, said the mammoth cost of the NBN means it is highly unlikely that access pricing will be anywhere under $70 per month.

“I just don’t see how you can spend $20 billion, $30 billion, whatever NBN Co does, and not see access prices go up,” he said. “I don’t know how that’s going to be addressed; no one seems to be focused on where those access prices may go.

“You hear some throw-away lines from the Prime Minister about $40-70 but to get there we have to go from a $15-$17 ULL [unconditioned local loop] price. We saw what happened when it was proposed by the ACCC to put it up to $23.60 over three years; the push back from industry was so strong that I just don’t see how we’re going to get to the sorts of prices that can sustain NBN Co commercially without a massive write-down from the government.”

Updated: NBN's 100 mbps too slow

Commenting further on the NBN, Malone expressed concerns that the NBN's 100mbps speeds may in fact be too slow and that speeds, may be better placed nearer to 1gbps.

“100 megs may be pitifully low for where need to be in five years,” Malone said. “Today, if you were deliver down three, four, five simultaneous HD TV stations – which is what you get now on free to air -- plus 20megs of broadband, that will take you to 100 megs.

“Why are we building a network that isn’t going to be deployed for five years based around an assumption that people will get equivalent speeds to what they get now? This is not 100 megs of broadband – it’s 100 megs of access. I’m worried we’re setting the bar so low."

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1

Cathy

Mon 07/12/2009 - 22:13

I guess I would not mind paying $15 more for better speed as long as I still get my 101GB of download that is.

So 101GB at $65 or so with better speed would be fine. I pay $50 for that now on ADSL2 speed.

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JonP

Tue 08/12/2009 - 00:45

The NBN is creating supply but it'd be great to see the investment in generating the demand for it. The government should promote home grown technology that will create the demand for the NBN and not wait for private industry from overseas to do it. Metaphorically speaking, electricity is useless without the appliances that use it.

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Anonymous

Tue 08/12/2009 - 07:39

Michael Malone is 100% correct, this market is super price sensitive - LSS/ULL options will have to remain forever - or the Gubment does an ETS on the internet and taxes the producers (Google etc) to subsidise the users.... Forget this nonsense, buy a HSD/UPA service and go mobile! (who needs bandwidth with AFTACT and ConroyNET?)

4

T

Tue 08/12/2009 - 08:33

Heres what I want
1. Lower

Heres what I want

1. Lower latency to overseas
2. Decent speed at least 12000 down/ 1000 up

If you pull that off I will pay the extra $15 a month if not I'm staying put.

5

Na

Tue 08/12/2009 - 08:44

Heres where you get your money ADSL 1 Telstra customers you could under cut to them and still make a profit.

6

Anonymous

Tue 08/12/2009 - 09:00

They can be clever about it using BIll creep. Want IPTV? $20 a month. Netflix? $8 a movie. IPPhone ? $10 a month rental.

Just gimmie my network already!

7

Sydney George

Tue 08/12/2009 - 09:01

I am happy with my Bigpond $59.95 fast cable and will not be changing thank you.

8

Cathy

Tue 08/12/2009 - 09:11

How could you possibly be happy with a bigpond plan there all over priced for the data and speeds. You could be satisfied with it but it's still a rip off.

9

Anonymous

Tue 08/12/2009 - 09:18

Yeah I would only be with bigpond if there was nothing else in my area NBN has to at least be able to beat them.

10

Anonymous

Tue 08/12/2009 - 12:57

I'm paying my $50 for 50GB at the moment (1500/256 plan). Malone is right - I'm too price sensitive to move to a higher speed. But it's not $15-20/month - that I would happily pay. To get to ADSL2+ speeds here while keeping my 50GB I'm looking @ $115/month - yes, 130% MORE.

Not a chance. Not a chance in hell. I might pay $115 for a 1Gbps connection, but then I'd need a much more reasonable quota than 50GB. :p

11

Josh

Tue 08/12/2009 - 12:58

I pay $90 now 8000/384 for 90 gig in total. And add $20 for the land line... I'd be happy paying $110 for a FTTP connection

12

Cashews

Tue 08/12/2009 - 13:02

It is easy for those who live in areas with access to cable/adsl2 internet to criticize the planned NBN. One of the more important things to remember that this will bring high speed internet to a lot of Australians that haven't had that option prior.

In my current location I pay $69 dollars a month for 1500/256 ADSL with a 100gb download limit. The cheapest adsl2 with a download quota over 50gb is $110 dollars a month, which due to the fact I am 5km from the already overcrowded exchange, wouldn't guarantee too much of an improvement.

If prices for the NBN's 100mbps were less than $100 dollars, I would happily pay that.

13

Anonymous

Tue 08/12/2009 - 13:30

Its also easy for those without access to expect everyone else (the majority) to subsidise their internet connection by paying more. Id be happy to help but can you chip in for my rent?

14

Anonymous

Tue 08/12/2009 - 14:23

Dunno where you are shopping, but I currently pay $79 a month for 200gb of downloads on ADSL 2+, and my download speed is twice as fast as the NBN is *theoretically* supposed to reach. Have seen 50gb ADSL 2+ plans for $49. I live in an average suburb.

But it begs the question - the NBN will deliver me half the speed, and according to most analysts at significantly greater expense. So why am I supposed to support wasting $43b again???

15

Adam

Tue 08/12/2009 - 18:25

This suggestion from one of our foremost ISP's directors that taxes be diverted to reducing prices is ridiculous. I suppose anything that guarantees the lining of his pocket is worthwhile.

I have no problem with government created infrastructure. But I have a problem when the infrastructure is privatised and fees applied to all regardless of those who do not use its services.
Could you imagine if Medicare was privatised?

16

Paul G

Tue 08/12/2009 - 19:02

Malone is right as usual, 100mbps is probably not going to cut it in 5 years time. I'm already starting to find 20mbit is losing the speedy convenience it had a few years ago as website content becomes heavier and heavier. As for the people whining about subsidising the broadband of others, welcome to Australia where a good percentage of us want to make the country a better place for everyone.

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mark

Wed 09/12/2009 - 01:57

You appear to be getting your megabits of speed mixed up with you gigabytes of data. That is the only way that I can see the conclusions you have come to, as the NBN proposes 100 megabit connections, while ADSL 2+'s theoretical max is 24 megabits.
Please clarify if I am missing something in what you have written.

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mark

Wed 09/12/2009 - 02:00

oops, the below was directed at "dont know where you are shopping"

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